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Thursday, 05 May 2005

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Matthew Goggins

Air Force Voices,

I just read the actual report from Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AUSCS), and I am rather surprised.

Based on Hugh Hewitt's description of the report, I had assumed that the report would be a sloppy compilation of rumors and overheated complaints. But what I read was actually quite disturbing in a different way.

It seems that AUSCS has documented longstanding and pervasive religious intolerance at the Air Force Academy, as well as violations of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

I am reluctant to conclude that Mr. Hewitt has been disingenuous or dishonest about this, if only because I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I certainly feel misled by Mr. Hewitt's characterizations of the report and his analysis of the allegations.

I urge anyone who is concerned about this report to read it, and see for himself what I am talking about. A lot of the substance of the report is not hearsay, but a well-documented overview of some serious problems at the academy

CDR Salamander

Blogswarm will help, but you boys in Blue need to fight this hard inside your hangar. I can't believe they let Yale Divinity look around and comment on policy. Insane. That is like inviting a vampire into your house. Navy standing by for the ATO.

Air Force Voices

Matthew,

Hmmm...I tried to access the AUSCS site to open the report and reread in light of what you say. I would like to know myself.

Curiously, the report's file location is down...perhaps there are lots of hits on the site due to its explosive allegations. Hopefully, they aren't limiting access to prevent a blogswarm. In any case, I'll have to try again in the morning.

Though anything is possible, I don't believe Mr. Hewitt is misleading...time will soon tell.

Please note I am all for religious tolerance...however, after visiting the AUSCS website it looks like they are intolerant of religion period (dot).

BTW: Is the AUSCS another front for the DNC? The language on their home page sure leads me to believe this.

Air Force Voices

CDR Salamander,

Agreed.

BTW: The TNLs are still being debated...sadly, the Air Force is focusing on the wrong COGs. Thanks for standing by!

Matthew Goggins

Air Force Voices,

I checked out that website myself just now, and I see what you mean.

Lots of confrontational rhetoric about the "religious right" and such.

So I can see why some healthy skepticism is warranted here, but the report does seem to uncover some unwarranted practices at the Air Force Academy. The cadets deserve the best, and if some Democrat-leaning group helps uncover some problems, then they deserve credit for it.

CDR Salamander

AFV,
Matthew dumped the same comment on my site. I threw it back in his face if you want to read it.

Executive Summary: If you read the AUSCS report based on YDS opinions without understanding THEIR bias and history, you are fooling yourself and others.

Matthew Goggins

CDR Salamander,

I didn't dump my comment, sir, I cut and pasted it.

Maybe AUSCS is fooling me, but right now I'm feeling fooled by Hugh Hewitt and not them.

Presumably we will all be able to evaluate the complaints of AUSCS without being suckered by any bias they have, once we hear from all sides.

Fr. Wes

I read the report but the allegations lacked credible specifics (time, place, etc.) Please keep in mind that Yale is in bed theologically and politically with AUSCS and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there was coordination between both teams of "investigators". Keep in mind that the head of the Yale team is well known for her secularist and feminist theological bias against Evangelical or Catholic faith, and has no understanding of the DOD appreciation for the Free Exercise of the First Amendment. Thus she seems to regard as dangerous the discretion a chaplain has in preaching from the pulpit and seems unaware that chaplains are held accountable by their denomination to preach in accordance with their denomination's doctrine. The Academy already addressed the climate issues, but not to the satisfaction of these "investigators". They will not likely be satisfied until chaplains are relegated to the role of "Counselor Troi" from Star Trek, forced to preach postmodern, humanist fluff. There may have been some pig-headed cadets who said some stupid things, but that does not commend anti-Christian bigotry, denying religious rights of sincere Christians in the name of "tolerance".

Mike

Planning on blogging about this over the weekend, no time now because of soccer districts. But I did read the AUSCS report tonight. I'm going to have to go with Matthew on this one. There are a lot of distrubing revelations. However, they must be taken with a grain of salt, since I also checked around their website, and they do appear to be, as you say, quite anti-religion, and anti-Christian. That said, there's some stuff in the report that just can't be made up. While some of the stuff they report seems to be overblown, some other parts of it just seem like they couldn't be made up. Sorry for being so cryptic, but I'm kinda short on time and just wanted to get my $.02 in. Like I said, there should be more this weekend.

Bottom line?

The truth is probably going to lie somewhere in the middle, like it so often does.

Here's commentary on this issue:

http://irascibleprofessor.com/comments-04-22-05.htm

PW

The story doesn't want to die. There is another commentary at http://politwatch.blogspot.com/2005/06/learn-to-flywith-jesus.html.

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